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Traveller-digest    Wednesday, November 24 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1394<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Slavery was Re: Ideological Warfare...<BR>
3D jump ranges - A solution<BR>
Ended the campaign?... Ended The Campaign?!?, <BR>
Empress variant URL<BR>
SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Pax Americana<BR>
Re: Tourism in the Marches<BR>
Re: Loans and Indentures<BR>
Re: Ming the Merciless<BR>
Re: Real space close to Earth<BR>
Re: Vargr (Was: Re: Weapons of mass destruction)<BR>
Re: YKYBPTMTW:<BR>
Re: Vargr (Was: Re: Weapons of mass destruction)<BR>
Re: YKYBPTMTW:<BR>
Re: 3D Imperium<BR>
Re: X-Files scenarios in Trav (the d'Alemberts)<BR>
Re: Ming the Merciless<BR>
Re: Traveller Auction Update!<BR>
Re: Vargr (Was: Re: Weapons of mass destruction)<BR>
Re: Vargr (Was: Re: Weapons of mass destruction)<BR>
OT: 49ers<BR>
Re: Re Loans and Indentures...<BR>
Barbarella?<BR>
SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Skipping<BR>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:28:14 +1000<BR>
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Slavery was Re: Ideological Warfare...<BR>
<BR>
Once again, this is a post I managed to foul up yesterday.<BR>
<BR>
> From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <BR>
> Christians were actively campaigning against the gov't-- Rome ignored<BR>
> religion except when it interfered with government and only ever really<BR>
got<BR>
> seriously into oppressing three religions:  Zoroastrianism, Druidism and<BR>
> Christianity.<BR>
<BR>
Zoroastrianism was the state religion of Persia, Rome's major "civilised"<BR>
rival.  A variant form, Mithraism, on the other hand, was one of the major<BR>
Roman cults.<BR>
<BR>
Something similar happened after the Romans adopted Christianity in its<BR>
Catholic/Orthodox form (this is before the split between the two, of<BR>
course).  The Persians persecuted Orthodox/Catholic Christians, but<BR>
tolerated Nestorian heretics, who the Romans persecuted.<BR>
<BR>
> Also, the Jews were mostly born into their religion, whereas Christianity<BR>
> was spread by conversion.  Hmmm... you are a large Empire, and you have a<BR>
> religion sweeping thru your society by conversion that is causing people<BR>
to<BR>
> disobey their superiors and the law generally, how do you handle it? <BR>
Unless<BR>
> you're Constantine, and can see the wisdom of taking it over and trying<BR>
to<BR>
> control it, you probably try to suppress it...<BR>
<BR>
This is a possible interpretation of the effects of the Empress Wave on<BR>
Zhodani society.  Essentially, you have this powerful psionic message that<BR>
could be misinterpreted as a divine revelation, and the resulting cult<BR>
could well spread its incorrect ways of thinking through Zhodani society<BR>
faster than the Thought Police can stop it....<BR>
<BR>
Alan Bradley<BR>
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au<BR>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:11:46 +0100<BR>
From: Jens Rydholm <jenry023@student.liu.se><BR>
Subject: 3D jump ranges - A solution<BR>
<BR>
Someone mentioned the idea of not having a J2 drive having twice the<BR>
range of a J1 one. This would (if done right) fix the problem of<BR>
reaching too many stars with an average jump drive.<BR>
<BR>
I thought about this, and decided to calculate exactly how long range a<BR>
J1 (and J2 etc) drive should have in order to preserve the same<BR>
relationship between jump rating and number of possible destinations as<BR>
in canon.<BR>
<BR>
First of all, I counted the number of possible destination hexes<BR>
(regardless of they contain a star or not) from one hex using different<BR>
jump ranges. For J1 to J6 drives, the number of destination hexes are 6,<BR>
18, 36, 60, 90, and 126. Thus, a J6 drive should be able to reach 21<BR>
(126/6) times as big a "destination volume" as a J1 drive, and so on.<BR>
<BR>
Since a sphere with n times the volume of another sphere has a radius<BR>
that is [the cubic root of n] times that of the other sphere, it is<BR>
quite easy to figure out how big the jump ranges should be. I assume<BR>
that the range of a J1 drive is 1 parsec. If another basic range is<BR>
desired, just multiply all the ranges by the basic range (in parsecs).<BR>
<BR>
In the table below, the symbol * means "cubic root of"<BR>
<BR>
Jump rating   Jump range<BR>
===========   ==========<BR>
    J1            1<BR>
    J2           *3 (1.44)<BR>
    J3           *6 (1.82)<BR>
    J4          *10 (2.15)<BR>
    J5          *15 (2.47)<BR>
    J6          *21 (2.76)<BR>
<BR>
/Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm<BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:13:07 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Ended the campaign?... Ended The Campaign?!?, <BR>
<BR>
>From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
><BR>
>>From: William F. Hostman <aramis@gci.net><BR>
>><BR>
>>I only did this to a PC group once... it ended the <BR>
>>campaign (They wound up confined to an imperial <BR>
>>prison world, since the noteholder was the Imperial <BR>
>>Government, and the "Tracer" was an IMOJ field <BR>
>>agent... whom they shot.)<BR>
><BR>
>Ended the campaign?... Ended The Campaign?!?, why <BR>
>didn't you just run them through Adv 8 Prison Planet,<BR>
<BR>
>it was *made* for just such an event. <BR>
<BR>
I always thought Papillon would be a good setting for<BR>
a Traveller prison adventure.  <BR>
<BR>
I mean, role-playing games are just the sort of places<BR>
to explore experiences that you might not want to have<BR>
in real life, like prison, horrible diseases,<BR>
abduction, serious physical trauma, having your mind<BR>
read, etc.  These experiences provide kind of a nice<BR>
contrast to getting rich quick and winning firefights,<BR>
which are also experiences that we don't usually have<BR>
in real life.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
__________________________________________________<BR>
Do You Yahoo!?<BR>
Thousands of Stores.  Millions of Products.  All in one place.<BR>
Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com<BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:17:37 -0500<BR>
From: otter@labyrinth.net<BR>
Subject: Empress variant URL<BR>
<BR>
Some time ago a member of this list was nice enough to give me the URL for<BR>
their website, which had a keyed deckplan for an Empress Marava variant.<BR>
Unfortunately my bookmarks have gone bye-bye.  =(  If that person would<BR>
send me that URL again, I would greatly appreciate it.  Thank you.<BR>
<BR>
Otter Driver<BR>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:41:59 +1100<BR>
From: "Hughes, Michael" <Michael.Hughes@cbr.defence.gov.au><BR>
Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Pax Americana<BR>
<BR>
Kyle writes: <BR>
<BR>
perhaps we could adjust the definition of<BR>
a superpower to, "without another power's<BR>
co-operation, providing that there is no widesporead<BR>
opposition." That is, if you are a superpower, "those<BR>
who not against us are with us." To be truly neutral<BR>
and "non-interventionist" means to make the strong<BR>
stronger, the weak weaker. <BR>
I can't imagine any nation ever being powerful enough<BR>
that its enemies and rivals, united, couldn't defeat<BR>
it. But just as one bully may scare twety classmates<BR>
who, together, could easily beat him up... who wants<BR>
to be the first to step forward and say, "hey, bully!<BR>
cut that out!" And if the bully is a benevolent ruler,<BR>
only demanding you let him sell you Coca-Cola and<BR>
episodes of "Friends," well, you might put up with<BR>
him...   <BR>
<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
     <BR>
Of course nations _can_ contest the USA's power. But<BR>
no-one does, really.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In this vein, I know this might sound dodgy, but let's face it. Pax America<BR>
is a good thing (IMHO - phew!).<BR>
<BR>
It has an active bill of rights. Sure this might (and has been) ignored in<BR>
playing the game of nations (eg during the cold war) but by and large its<BR>
still a pretty good thing. This in turn influences how it behaves to others<BR>
and it is more inclined to 'go into bat' for the little people now, more<BR>
than ever with the demise of the cold war as they don't have to worry about<BR>
encroaching on Russia's sphere of influence.<BR>
<BR>
It's a Democracy. Okay, so interest groups and the two party structure (like<BR>
most English speaking western countries) sometimes makes us think otherwise,<BR>
especially with two parties giving the impression of 'lesser of two evils',<BR>
but both have to behave at least semi-honourably and with a genuine intent<BR>
to better their fellow man/woman/other ( and tobacco companies...)<BR>
 <BR>
And of course as the wealthiest nation of all, its bread and butter is<BR>
trade. It simply can't afford to be a bogey-man 'cause the good times will<BR>
surely end. Just look at the various short and nasty trade wars that erupt<BR>
between US & Japan or US and Europe, and they're over relatively minor<BR>
disagreements. <BR>
<BR>
Finally, it's not Pax Russia, China, or god forbid, France. In my book, a<BR>
good thing indeed.<BR>
<BR>
As for a Pax Australia. <BR>
<BR>
Shudder.<BR>
<BR>
"Now yowse fulla's settle down or there'll be big smacks. Okay let's all<BR>
shake hands SHAKE HANDS. Well done Saddy, onya Koo-wate. Here's a VB, let's<BR>
chinky chinky and celebrate with juicy pork sangas . . . "<BR>
<BR>
<gets on asbestos suit and waits. The flames will come, oh yes, they will<BR>
come.><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Michael <BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:27:52 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Tourism in the Marches<BR>
<BR>
> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:59:35 -0500<BR>
> From: Ethan Henry <egh@klg.com><BR>
> <BR>
> Not being an astronomer, where's the peak of Sol's light output <BR>
> in the visual range and where the same peak for an A star? Presumably<BR>
> Whangan plants have their colour shifted similarly.<BR>
<BR>
Not (necessarily) so.  Sol's peak output is in the green part of the<BR>
spectrum...the precise part that chlorophyl *reflects away* rather than<BR>
uses.  On Earth, it happened that the best sunlight-capturing chemical<BR>
evolution came up with had this disadvantage; it made up for the problem<BR>
by being more efficient at using the photons it did absorb, being<BR>
'cheaper' to synthesize, less prone to chemical attack, and so forth. <BR>
<BR>
An A star's peak output is in the blue-violet part of the spectrum, but<BR>
(like Sol's) it's a very broad peak.  It would appear "harsh blue-tinged<BR>
white" to the eye.  Note that brightly-colored stars are a rarity; normal<BR>
stars are simple black-body radiators with broad spectral peaks.  So an M<BR>
star isn't the glowering blood-red fireball we've seen in too many<BR>
illustrations; instead, it's pretty much the same color as a 100<BR>
watt lightbulb running at about 50 watts of input power, a sort of<BR>
brownish-reddish-yellowish-white.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
   |   Craig Berry - cberry@cinenet.net<BR>
 --*--  http://www.cinenet.net/users/cberry/home.html<BR>
   |   "They do not preach that their God will rouse them<BR>
      a little before the nuts work loose." - Kipling<BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:47:43 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Loans and Indentures<BR>
<BR>
> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:53:31 -0800 (PST)<BR>
> From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
> Subject: Re: Loans and Indentures<BR>
> <BR>
> Craig Berry writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <sane economics snipped><BR>
<BR>
Woo hoo, my minor finally pays off. :)<BR>
<BR>
[snip argument leading up to...]<BR>
> If you make a 100 T ship actually normally weigh in the 100T range<BR>
> (which means, depending on version, a 5-10x reduction in volume) it<BR>
> becomes a lot less unreasonable; drop the electronics correspondingly,<BR>
> and you start seeing prices which are only in the few millions; still<BR>
> expensive, but much more believable than the 20-40 million for a free<BR>
> trader.  Actually, a 5x reduction in volume makes things like staterooms<BR>
> come much closer to real-world sizes. <BR>
<BR>
Dropping electronics is a question of what you think can be dispensed with<BR>
safely (or safely enough to satisfy potential passengers, freight agents,<BR>
starport authorities, and crewmembers).  Dropping volume, though, comes<BR>
straight off the bottom line; smaller ship equals smaller hold and<BR>
passenger quarters equals smaller revenue.  It does little good to reduce<BR>
ship payments by a factor of 10 if you also cut operating revenues by a<BR>
factor of 10.  In fact, it will hurt; certain fixed costs become more<BR>
relatively important when the volume is small.<BR>
<BR>
To put it another way, one could express the business environment of a<BR>
ship in terms of its fixed expenses (e.g., crew salaries) and an<BR>
expected net revenue per dton of hold and passenger quarters.  The latter<BR>
is what you get when you subtract the revenue you expect to obtain by<BR>
using that dton for commerce, minus the costs of operating that dton<BR>
during the period (life support, etc.)  Note also that the size of the<BR>
debt payment will scale with the size of the hold/quarters; for<BR>
simplicity, let's call it linear.  So we derive<BR>
<BR>
  P = V * H - V * D - F<BR>
<BR>
where P is net profit, V is the ships's volume available for commerce on<BR>
some arbitrary scale, H is the expected net revenue per dton of commerce<BR>
volume, D is the debt payment per dton, and F is the ship's fixed<BR>
expenses.  Simplifying gives us:<BR>
<BR>
  P = V * (H - D) - F<BR>
<BR>
That H - D term simply tells us that if each dton can't earn enough<BR>
revenue to pay for itself, we're hosed from the start.  Note, however,<BR>
that in the limit of zero volume, the ship loses F credits per period.  As<BR>
V increases, we hit some breakeven point, and as V increases further, the<BR>
ship becomes profitable.<BR>
<BR>
Which just reiterates what we all know already:  Economies of scale exist.<BR>
Large ships are more profitable per dton than small ones.  Small tramp<BR>
merchants are screwed if they try to compete with the big guys.  And<BR>
Anthony's super-small tramps will have to find even more specialized<BR>
niches where not even 'normal'-sized tramps can operate.<BR>
<BR>
To put it yet another way:  Nobody ever gets rich doing standard book-3<BR>
trading in a Type S, and you don't even need to make payments on those. :)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
   |   Craig Berry - cberry@cinenet.net<BR>
 --*--  http://www.cinenet.net/users/cberry/home.html<BR>
   |   "They do not preach that their God will rouse them<BR>
      a little before the nuts work loose." - Kipling<BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:48:21<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ming the Merciless<BR>
<BR>
At 01:51 AM 11/24/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>You should know that, in my Traveller universe, Ming the Merciless may<BR>
>properly be addressed as "Your Protuberance."<BR>
<BR>
My current real-world landlord is refered to as Ng the Merciless (actually<BR>
quite a nice guy).  Before that we had Mr. Limmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......<BR>
swear to God that's how he said it.<BR>
- --<BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
"I created the universe; give ME the gift certificate!!"<BR>
                   - Lisa Simpson, Overachiever<BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:52:01<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Real space close to Earth<BR>
<BR>
At 11:41 PM 11/24/1999 +0100, you wrote:<BR>
>Is there a website somewhere with some general information about the<BR>
>stars closest to us? It would be especially nice if the page included<BR>
>coordinates of some kind, so that I can use them to make a 3D-map of our<BR>
>surroundings.<BR>
<BR>
There's a good software package called Redshift out there, pretty cheap and<BR>
has oddles of good information.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:02:12<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Vargr (Was: Re: Weapons of mass destruction)<BR>
<BR>
At 05:14 PM 11/24/1999 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
>At 7:59 -0500 24/11/99, "Douglas 'Penguin' Berry"<BR>
<gridlore@pop.mindspring.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>>You know, I'm beginning to have nightmares that twenty years from now I'll<BR>
>>be a famous game designer, and people will still come up to me at GenCon<BR>
>>and call me "The Penguin Guy."<BR>
><BR>
>Well, I did argue with Andy Lilly to keep them in as you asked....<BR>
<BR>
A *small* bit of humor in what are, IMNSHO, the best personal combat rules<BR>
ever written for Traveller!!  *sob*  Why doesn't anybody mention the<BR>
grappling rules?  The detailed rules for opening doors?<BR>
<BR>
>The really surreal thing is that when I was a small kid I used to <BR>
>call nuns 'penguins'.<BR>
<BR>
Who doesn't?<BR>
<BR>
Douglas Berry<BR>
penguin@penguin.net<BR>
http://emperor.penguin.net/trenchcoat/Leon.html<BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:07:44<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: YKYBPTMTW:<BR>
<BR>
At 05:54 AM 11/24/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>(I hear that, after the Rams beat the 49ers for the second time this<BR>
>season [the first time since 1980 that the Rams have swept the 'Niners],<BR>
>the 49ers decided to replace the "SF" on their helmets with "GK.")<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, we were just missing our starting quarterback, halfback, half the<BR>
offensive line, several key secondary players.. can't figure out why we're<BR>
losing...<BR>
<BR>
Forever Faithful, Red and Gold. NINERS!!!<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:06:10 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Vargr (Was: Re: Weapons of mass destruction)<BR>
<BR>
On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Douglas E. Berry wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> grappling rules?  The detailed rules for opening doors?<BR>
<BR>
Really?  They don't use half-dice, do they?  I might be interested after<BR>
all.  I have problems with this task a lot.<BR>
<BR>
> Douglas Berry<BR>
> penguin@penguin.net<BR>
> http://emperor.penguin.net/trenchcoat/Leon.html<BR>
<BR>
Hey... there's no such URL!  You're -- you're -- YOU'RE PULLING OUR LEGS!<BR>
Knock it off!  This is a SERIOUS DISCUSSION LIST. <BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:30:37 EST<BR>
From: KenRoney@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: YKYBPTMTW:<BR>
<BR>
As for me, I knew that I was playing to much traveller when I'd pull up <BR>
behind a truck at a stoplight, look at its license plate, and then think <BR>
something like "Now that would be an interesting world to run an adventure <BR>
on."<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:59:24 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: 3D Imperium<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Steve said:<BR>
>according to a quick web search, the central bulge<BR>
>of the milky way is about 100,000ly in diameter, and<BR>
>http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/MilkyWay/structure.html<BR>
><BR>
>    would suggest that the disk itself is what, about 40-50kly "thick"?<BR>
<BR>
Gee, I thought it went:<BR>
<BR>
"The Galaxy itself contains a hundred million stars,<BR>
It's a hundred thousand light-years side-to-side,<BR>
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light-years thick,<BR>
But out by us it's just three thousand light-years wide.<BR>
<BR>
We're thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point,<BR>
We go 'round every two hundred million years,<BR>
And our Galaxy itself is one of millions of billions<BR>
In this amazing and expanding Universe!"<BR>
<BR>
"The Galaxy Song", Monty Python.<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:05:54 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: X-Files scenarios in Trav (the d'Alemberts)<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Frankie replied to Mike thus:<BR>
>>One other bit of trivia, the copies of the books I have (that I now HAVE to<BR>
>>dig out) didn't have Foss covers, but originals that coinsided with the<BR>
>>stories. Were yours published in Europe by any chance?<BR>
><BR>
>The one's I read had Foss covers, and they were published by Panther, as<BR>
>part of the seventies reprinting of all of Smith's work<BR>
>Definitely European<BR>
<BR>
Mine are published as "Panther Science Fiction" by Granada Publishing Limited,<BR>
UK. They must be reprints, then.<BR>
<BR>
So what's the copyright date on your originals, Mike?<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:35:39 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Ming the Merciless<BR>
<BR>
On 11/24/99 at 01:51 AM,  "Glenn M. Goffin" <gmgoffin@pacbell.net> said:<BR>
>You should know that, in my Traveller universe, Ming the Merciless<BR>
>may properly be addressed as "Your Protuberance."<BR>
<BR>
Has a long nose, eh? <g><BR>
<BR>
We'll be doing stats for Barbarella before you know it. <BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:38:11 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller Auction Update!<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks (and Scott) -<BR>
<BR>
Just wanted to publicly say "thank you" to Scott Spieker, who recently ran a<BR>
Trav auction of his material.<BR>
<BR>
I bought "Signal GK" from him a few weeks ago. He emailed me last Thursday (18<BR>
Nov), saying he posted it and it should arrive within a week. Well, I'm happy to<BR>
say that I picked it up from my PO Box yesterday evening (Wed 24 Nov)!<BR>
<BR>
It was sandwiched between two nice thick cardboard sheets and therefore received<BR>
no damage while en-route. The book looks near-new to me (no I *don't* know the<BR>
official quality codes ;-) which is excellent for something that is 15 years<BR>
old.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks again, Scott!<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:42:55 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Vargr (Was: Re: Weapons of mass destruction)<BR>
<BR>
On 11/24/99 at 03:06 AM,  "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>>At Close Quarters - Doug Berry's detailed combat rules for Traveller, <BR>
>>famous for Penguins.<BR>
<BR>
>You know, I'm beginning to have nightmares that twenty years from now<BR>
>I'll be a famous game designer, and people will still come up to me<BR>
>at GenCon and call me "The Penguin Guy."<BR>
<BR>
>Also, ACQ was co-written by James Lindsay, who is only partially<BR>
>under the influence of the penguins.<BR>
<BR>
Of course, not!  Penguins are partial to the *south* pole.  James<BR>
would be under the influence of polar bears. <BR>
<BR>
Eris,<BR>
    not telling under what influence, am I <g><BR>
<BR>
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"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:50:02 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Vargr (Was: Re: Weapons of mass destruction)<BR>
<BR>
On 11/24/99 at 02:14 PM,  Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>>>At Close Quarters - Doug Berry's detailed combat rules for Traveller, <BR>
>>>famous for Penguins.<BR>
<BR>
>>You know, I'm beginning to have nightmares that twenty years from now I'll<BR>
>>be a famous game designer, and people will still come up to me at GenCon<BR>
>>and call me "The Penguin Guy."<BR>
<BR>
>You noticed. ;-)<BR>
<BR>
>What's the list's view on this?<BR>
<BR>
>I mean, can secret conspiracies to associate someone with penguin<BR>
>throwing still work once the victim realises what's happenning?<BR>
<BR>
It's much too late for Doug, The Penguin Boy. His fate is already sealed. Muhahaha!<BR>
<BR>
Eris,<BR>
    the heretic <--see I've already *got* a nickname ;-><BR>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:58:29 -0700<BR>
From: Erwin Fritz <efritz@GLJA.com><BR>
Subject: OT: 49ers<BR>
<BR>
"Douglas E. Berry" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> At 05:54 AM 11/24/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >(I hear that, after the Rams beat the 49ers for the second time this<BR>
> >season [the first time since 1980 that the Rams have swept the 'Niners],<BR>
> >the 49ers decided to replace the "SF" on their helmets with "GK.")<BR>
> <BR>
> Yeah, we were just missing our starting quarterback, halfback, half the<BR>
> offensive line, several key secondary players.. can't figure out why we're<BR>
> losing...<BR>
<BR>
On the other hand, you have Jeff Garcia, who last year was the<BR>
quarterback for my beloved Calgary Stampeders, leading us to the Grey<BR>
Cup!<BR>
<BR>
Go Stamps!<BR>
- -- <BR>
Erwin Fritz<BR>
Gilbert Laustsen Jung Associates Ltd.<BR>
http://www.glja.com<BR>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:43:40 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Loans and Indentures...<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Frank Pitt <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 6:14 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Re Loans and Indentures<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> Heck, if I lose my job, the bank will pay the mortgage for me for three<BR>
> months, and if I'm still not working , put the mortgage on hold for up to<BR>
> twelve months, and I only have to live in the house for part of the year.<BR>
><BR>
> Also, the bank is quite willing to wait for it's mortgage payment if we<BR>
hit<BR>
> a "temporary cash flow problem" as it were.<BR>
><BR>
> Sounds like William really needs to get a better bank.<BR>
> <grin><BR>
><BR>
> Frankie<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
On of the best deals I heard about was that of my sister in-law and her<BR>
husband.  If either of them were put in a situation where either of them<BR>
could no longer work, the loan was automatically paid off by some kind of<BR>
insurance that was part of the finance deal!  I might add, that this was<BR>
some 20-odd years ago and the deal is no longer available from what I have<BR>
heard, but it paid off just recently with both of them being put in just<BR>
that situation... and the house only having a few grand left after this<BR>
time... but still, better than nothing.<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:19:52 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Barbarella?<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: Eris Reddoch <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 12:35 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Ming the Merciless<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
> We'll be doing stats for Barbarella before you know it. <BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
Yes please :^)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:54:15 +1100<BR>
From: "Hughes, Michael" <Michael.Hughes@cbr.defence.gov.au><BR>
Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Skipping<BR>
<BR>
William Hostman wrote:<BR>
<BR>
IMTU, it's fairly simple: Banks won't finance J5 or J6 ships. Period. J4's<BR>
will only be financed when there is a viable collateral OTHER THAN THE SHIP.<BR>
J3 ships require a good buisiness plan, and while anything put in can be<BR>
removed or replaced, if you can't outrun the news, you'd better keep the<BR>
payments in line. Most of the "Pirates" (by cgen career) are actually skip<BR>
tracers most of the time, starmercs when needed, and privateers when<BR>
available. The banks tend to send J-4 messages when a ship makes it's<BR>
payments, to all payment acceptance stations within 2 months hard travel<BR>
from point of payment. Most worlds maintain lists of ships in the area; if a<BR>
ship is more than two months out by local computations, they prepare a skip<BR>
alert... Not that they announce the ship has skipped, but that customs needs<BR>
to check for papers (if the law level allows) or the bank hires a skip<BR>
tracer to "take a look"; most (almost all) ship financing allows the banks'<BR>
local agent to inspect or authorize inspection by their deputy as "part<BR>
owner". If the agent finds proof of payment, fine, he's got to leave.<BR>
Otherwise, including if the crew refuses access to the papers and/or ship<BR>
after seeing appropriate credentials, the agent may reposess the ship "On<BR>
suspicion". I only did this to a PC group once... it ended the campaign<BR>
(They wound up confined to an imperial prison world, since the note holder<BR>
was the Imperial Government, and the "Tracer" was an IMOJ field agent...<BR>
whom they shot.)<BR>
Since I use the "pirates" as skip tracers, it gives reason for banks to<BR>
subsidize or even finance pirate vessels... field authorizations! And a<BR>
letter or Marque and Reprisal, with clauses allowing inspection of records<BR>
of vessels financed by a given bank, or government, and siezure if not able<BR>
to prove current payments. That, and the pirates keeping tabs on skip<BR>
reports.<BR>
<BR>
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
IMTU I handle payments thusly;<BR>
<BR>
If a vessel has payments remaining, the vessel has to go to a Bank branch<BR>
every payment date to get the running codes for the ship (codes for the next<BR>
two years are X-boated to branches once the papers are signed). If this date<BR>
is missed by more than two weeks (and vessel is not in Jump, has not<BR>
suffered a malfunction preventing one or is not empty of enough fuel for a<BR>
jump), then jump drive will be disabled and 'registered' weapons be not able<BR>
to fire. This is designed to prevent the vessel from skipping. <BR>
<BR>
However, banks do give permission for those with payment's owning, to<BR>
receive codes in advance, if they are going to be outside the interstellar<BR>
state where the bank is located (such as the 'outback', for a Sylean M0 or<BR>
over the frontier for a M1120 Imperial ship). Obviously there has to be a<BR>
good reason and the vessel's owner's have to give a proposal (many<BR>
'regional' bank officers ask for a 5-7% commission on any profits made on an<BR>
'outside' trip . Some even might send a clerk to keep an eye on things). <BR>
<BR>
There are some rogue independent worlds (such as Class A or B star ports<BR>
with low pop and govt. but high tech far from interstellar states) that<BR>
offer 'code' cracking or re-configure services, but these are likely to be<BR>
very expensive and are highly illegal (look, an adventure!) <BR>
<BR>
Re-payments are made every month. The cost is 1/240 of the cash price (new)<BR>
for the ship. If extra payments are made, then the monthly payment is<BR>
reduced concurrently (work it out on a spreadsheet or something). Banks<BR>
require proof of ability to finance re-payments, so this might make non<BR>
merchant vessels a tad tricky to fund ("So you want to buy a patrol cruiser.<BR>
How will you be funding the payments?" . . . "I'm going to . . . er . . .<BR>
become a pira . . I mean an escort, yeah, an escort . . . matey!")<BR>
<BR>
Michael <BR>
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